The 20 Stages Of A First Date Between Two Gay Guys

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You will then be presented with the same consent screen next time you access the website if you opt-out. Breaking the ice in the initial stages of gay dating means doing something entertaining and light hearted; going to a cabaret or burlesque performance certainly falls under this category. The complete ghosting You've fully come to terms that the date was a total bust, but that doesn't mean the other guy has, and so, instead of actually giving them some sense of closure, you just ignore them entirely.

This may seem like a no-brainer, but so many young gay men will often stretch the truth in order to please the handsome stranger across the table. You can hit the zoo, a bowling alley or the skating rink, for example.

4 First Date Topics for Gay Men

You are getting ready to meet that handsome guy you met online or through a close friend for that all-important first date. What should I wear? Does my breath smell? Is my muffin-top showing? This is particularly true for gay men who are new to the dating scene or have been off the market for an extended period of time. After consulting with a number of gay men who were formerly single and now long-term partnered... Some of these red flags are obvious. Others are ones you may not have heard before and should not ignore. The list is by no means exhaustive. Disclaimer: Not every point here may apply to your situation and is not set in stone. Think of these as general guidelines as opposed rigid rules. This point may seem particularly obvious but the truth is that many gay men fall into the trap of ignoring this red flag. A long term relationship for a gay man can be subjective at best. As a rule of thumb, 2 years or more is a good yardstick go by, give or take. What is important is this — the amount of time he has been out of his same sex relationship. If he was in a five year relationship and is now out on the market six months after the breakup, he is very likely not going to be emotionally available or emotionally capable of a real relationship again for some time. Yep, this is one that should seem obvious but is ignored more than folks might think. If you are out on a real date and you are noticing that the guy you are out with is continually checking out other dudes, flirting or both - it is probably a good indication that this guy is not for you. There is an off chance that he is trying to impress you by demonstrating how he can attract other people but do you really want to deal with that? And here is another possibility. Instead of manning up and telling you that, he is flirting with other dudes. This point sucks and not something you want to hear but checking out other guys on a first date really is not a good sign for something long term. The reason being is that the first date should be about getting to know one another. If he is already needing to go hang out at a bar on your first date, he likely is not ready to focus on you or a relationship. Some may disagree with this point. One of them is the amount of alcohol he is consuming and the speed in which he is doing it. If you notice that he is pounding back glass after glass of wine or some other drink and that he is encouraging you to do the same — run. Same holds true if he shows up at your first date stoned. That however does not mean he is ready to start dating. As a general rule of thumb, people in recovery programs, like a 12-step program AA, CMA, NA… are encouraged to stay away from the dating scene for 1-year. This is not a hard and fast rule but is generally encouraged. The reasons are plentiful but the primary one is that the guy needs to be focusing on his recovery. If the guy you are with on the first date treats wait staff, box office attendants or others disrespectfully or rudely, he is showing his true colors. He is also demonstrating that he is a jerk and is likely unaware of how uncomfortable his behavior makes you feel. If the guy you are out on a first date with is treating people like crap, how do you think he will treat you down the road? There are many gay men who are masculine and their sexual orientation is not readily obvious. If you are getting the vibe on your first date that the guy is looking to hook up or otherwise mess around, this may be a fairly good indication that he is really not interested in dating. This particular point is not to judge but instead, to act as a potential red flag for his agenda. If however the guy you are going out on a date with is going on forever and a day about his life, his job, his car, his family, his dogs …his, his his …. There is likely going to be problems with compatibility. Does he make you feel overly insecure because you feel he is just too good looking to be with you? Does anything about that first date make you experience negative, familiar feelings from the past where you were in a space that was not good for you? If so, these are important warning signs. Too many get hooked on the look and find themselves in impossible, painful, one-sided and one way relationships. Pay attention to how his physical appearance causes you to feel. I think a good closing to this article is to also evaluate your own behavior. Don't be afraid to recognize your own faults. It will only make you better. Ask yourself, are you raising any flags? We should aspire to be a healthy, genuine and loving partner to someone. It's not just about what you're getting. It sounds crazy to some people but you should WANT to give your partner a relationship they want, too. And red flag doesn't always mean run. It can just be cautionary. You might want to pursue the friendship, if you are getting along well in other ways. There are lots of other reasons to go out with someone, often repeatedly. I use dating to get to know people, and to sort out what kinds of friendship are possible. A primary relationship is only one of them, and it's not very near the top of the probable list. But even so, it seems a bit narrow, perhaps especially so for gay men. Also it such a shame for some people who are always waiting to criticize others for everything they do instead of supporting and use their common sense to correct where it wrong don't you know those who criticize others often are not perfect? My disastrous last relationship unfortunately hit nearly every point. Rather than being blinded by looks,my downfall was deciding he was 'the one' the first time we met. After years of feeling less than and compensating for his shortcomings- I am finally working on myself. To meet the rite guy I need to be the person I would be attracted to- not the messi became. Lastly, the comment by Pookie is a prime example of guys 'not ready to date'. Some guys grow up and mature, yet others are in their 50s+ living day to day- hookup to hookup. If getting off is the only concern, then great for them. This keeps the escorts and users in business when that same man is lonely and horny at age 69+++. Don't listen to the negative comments, those guys must have been through a lot, are wounded and heart broken and still need to come to terms with the red flag signs they'd failed on noticing before. Things aren't easy with dating, we all know that and I give them credit for that. Don't give up though. Advice on pages like these genuinely helps. He always asked me if i am going to his house and often open up conversations about sex. I've never had a hookup, never will but I have had sex on the first date once before which in that case ended up in a two decade long relationship. I was blinded by love. I loved him, he loved my money at the time. When I got sick with a health problem no one can catch and things looked bad for a year, he dumped me for a guy 15 years younger than he is! Careful of those first impressions! They might be dangerously wrong but sex on first date would be out for me now that I know better even if sparks are there for potential LTR. As a rule, gays do not date. We hook up and then need to look for the next best, younger, richer, more handsome man. The gays that date are usually deplorable physically or emotionally possibly both and over 30. No self-respecting gay wants anyone over 30 unless they are rich and have a hot body. In some parts of the country, the only places you can go and not be stared at by the overly homophobic who by the way where I live have thrown homophobic insults at me for holding the hand of my autistic son IS a gay bar. And that brings me to my second point: There are some of us out here with children with disabilities. I am living with my ex and truly not in a relationship with her. As a matter of fact, she got engaged this past week, and everyone involved gets along great, and I'm proud to say I introduced them to each other. They are great together! And he is going to make a fantastic step-dad! But beyond that fact, this is 2014. If I were to move out, I am in the financial position where I'd be able to afford it. Because it is 2014, a LOT of people AREN'T in the financial position to up and leave who they've been sharing a house with for years, children or not. What's disappointing is that this article is telling me the same thing. What's more disappointing is that many good men out there in the world will be told the same thing due to their life circumstances. What's sad is that you're bolstering that prejudice by telling them the same thing. I am full aware that I will die single because of this fact about myself. Though, for the record, each of the three men I've had serious relationships all called me within a year to ask if we can get back together. I did with one, I didn't with the other two. But if I am single for the rest of my life, that's my duty as a parent and my love for him is greater than my own desires. I'm just disappointed that an otherwise perfect guy I can name three of my friends who are in the same position as me, all AMAZING, unbelievably hunky guys who are all several states away from me like the friends I just talked about parenthetically will never be given a chance other than being a toy for someone else's sexual desire. I pass with flying colors all the time, until they find out I care for someone else's happiness more than my own's. Supposedly that's what everyone searching for love is looking for- a selfless loving guy. Perhaps that's the ultimate irony of not only my dating experiences but this article. I don't think it is any stretch when I observe that you hate republicans and you have systematically avoided the central question to my rebuttle. By so doing, it's also obvious that you prefer cheap smears and name calling to reasoned debate. This gay man thought that, as a community, we were better than that. In the early days of the struggle for our equality, activists knew that silence equals death. They knew the way forward required that we communicate what we wanted, needed and why. Because of Ken and Ben twin brothers, maybe? Mark Steyn understands this... In the march for equality, we all have a role to play! I cannot see how equality can be achieved while this community harbors such divisions. We cannot move forward while leaving Republicans behind. Have you thought that someone just wants a long-term fuck bud? Or to get laid after a relationship is actually therapeutic? Yes, there are generalizations but in an article like this I would expect that. At least he put something out there for gay men and first dates and not the usual crap we see around the Internet. I read the ignorant and hostile remark made by Herman Nilsson and just about puked. The information in point 7 needs to be read in its entirety and in CONTEXT and not cherry picked like Nilsson did. I did not read Mr, Hollywood said republicans or anyone else could not be loved. The way I read it at all, the author is saying the opposite, meaning that if a gay man DENIES who he and is living a complete lie, he cannot love HIMSELF. And how can a person truly love another if they don't love themselves first. If a gay man supports rabidly anti-gay candidates, that says a lot about who they are. For the record, I once dated a man just like this. He constantly made cracks against fellow gays, bragged how he supported like Rick Santorum and make sure he went to chic-fillet so that people would see the cup he was drinking out of. He was one of the most self-loathing gay men I have ever met. Not sure how long the author will let the hateful post Nillson stay up because it looks like someone is trying to flame the discussion. I just wanted to be a voice here to push back against a political troll. I pondered whether to make this post for the last day, but it has to be said - this post describes perfectly why Republicans should hate gays. In fact, gays have been out and organizing within the Republican Party for more than 35 years through the Log Cabin Republicans. There are so many reasons why a gay would consider involving themselves in the GOP, would choose to organize in support of equality inside of the Republican Party and would strongly support a Republican Candidate - even one that you might consider to be anti-gay. I would suggest expending political resources to help the starving kids on the right OVER the gay couple kissing on the left because life is precious - but wouldn't this be a great SUBSTANTIAL discussion to have on a first date, to get to know someone? MisterHollywood, the pen name on this post, is having none of that! What the author is suggesting in this article is that a gay republican is somehow not worthy of his love and acceptance, and continues to counsel that that a gay republican is not worthy of your love acceptance. I think we all deserve to be loved and accepted for who we are. It's hard to get to know someone if they can't be present. I especially love the reference to bars because it shows a preoccupation with drinking. And as a recovering alcoholic myself, I remember dating only a few months in and it was a disaster. I was still in an absolute cloud, and became utterly obsessed with the guy. In a way HE became my drug. And of course it didn't work out and of course I was devastated. Thanks for the article! Enough that maybe one of them should have been replaced with the opposite of 9. For I've found myself talking a lot about myself on dates, but not by any choice of my own. We get on a topic about ourselves. To him, I seem to have an interesting backstory, then because we're on a date, I'm tired of hearing my own voice, so I turn the question over to him to tell me about himself. But he offers NOTHING. And it's just that. It's not because I don't find his backstory interesting. It's because I never get the chance to find out. For HE doesn't find his story interesting enough to share. With that said, him not having enough confidence in his life experiences to share them should be a red flag to replace maybe 5. For everyone's recovery timetable isn't the same. For some don't even need a year. Meanwhile, others need 5 years. I know when I went on my last date I felt sorry for the guy cause soooo many ppl put him up on a pedestal due to his looks. He lacked any humility and it made me uncomfortable. Good thing was that he realized it. So if someone is a bit big for their britches don't discount them cause it might not be a douchiness at the core level. Other product and company names shown may be trademarks of their respective owners. HubPages ® is a registered Service Mark of HubPages, Inc. HubPages and Hubbers authors may earn revenue on this page based on affiliate relationships and advertisements with partners including Amazon, Google, and others. This website uses cookies As a user in the EEA, your approval is needed on a few things. 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Meet somewhere public that is GLBT-friendly. In my past experiences, just a mere mention of someone's questionable hobby could tout something subconsciously in a person's brain and act as turn-off for the rest of the date. Plus, there's no point in lying because I'll have no problem calling you out on your bullshit if you do. We use a technology provided by Facebook called The Facebook Pixel. Sin to know someone is more about developing a feel for first date topics gay specific connection the two of you share. You are getting ready to meet that handsome guy you met online or through a close friend for that all-important first date. Nothing can stop a silence in a u, it's just how things go, even between good friends. The list is by no means exhaustive. If getting off is the only concern, then great for them.